From a discussion about faith… (my commentary only)

Beloved you have made a case for Election as have many others before. The case for Free Will has likewise been laid out by many. Both are Biblical truths but not to the exclusion of each other, there is a tension but no conflict. God is sovereign for sure but we are created in His image.

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” -Romans 10:17 KJV

An answer was given to the above comment. At this point it seems we are not talking about faith as much as debating Sovereign Generation vs. Regeneration by Faith. I offered the following, in answer to the commentary given…

Romans 10:17 only declares that faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (it does not say only Sovereignly Generated) Paul is building on the grounds of Romans 10:8-11 “But what saith it? [the righteousness which is of faith] The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. In Romans 10:8-11 Paul is building on Justification by Faith. In each chapter of Romans Paul builds on that which has already been laid out.

Romans 1:16 “I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth.” From Romans 1:17 therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:18-25, “The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.”

Romans 3:21-28, Justification by Faith

From Romans 5, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: by whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” – “hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.”

Romans 10:13, “Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

According to Paul, The Gospel [Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures] when received [obedience to The Faith witch we preach] manifests in Faith [gift of God] whereby we are Justified and thus receive the Holy Ghost [gift of God]

This is the New Birth, from above, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, whereby Jesus tells Nicodemus that he will only see the kingdom of God—that is, enter into eternal life and enjoy God’s reign—if he is ‘born again’.

According to John, We enter God’s kingdom by turning to God for forgiveness and cleansing. We are transformed and renewed by God’s Spirit, which is something only God can do. He healed the Israelites in the desert when they simply turned in faith to look at the bronze snake held up by Moses. Now Jesus, the Son of man, will be similarly ‘lifted up’, and all who turn to him in faith will receive eternal life.

God is Sovereign, God is the “first cause” of all things, but willful obedience or disobedience/sin is “second causes.”

God is non the less Sovereign when we respond to His will “second causes” because it is He that Wills that we respond “first cause.”

In Gods grace, because He loved the world, He provided for Redemption, gave His Son, the Lamb of God “first cause.” Whosoever believeth in him “second causes” should not perish, but have everlasting life. –The Sovereign Will of God!

It is not His Will that any should perish but that all should come to Repentance. [turn from our wicked ways to God for forgiveness and cleansing] Will all come to Repentance? No – So is His Will carried out? yes, in that He calls all to Repentance “first cause.” We respond to Him “second causes.” we are culpable for our decisions as we are created in His image [having intellect, emotion and will] and because that which may be known of God is manifest, the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead. “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

He has provided all that is necessary for Life and Godliness “first cause.” Do all possess Life and Godliness? no, why? because obedience to the call for Repentance is required “second causes.”

The above has consumed my time and efforts for the day. So I thought it well to post that witch I have labored to wright here for consideration. Not the debate but the merits of that with is the fruit of a days labor.

It is never my intention to convince you of my interpretation, rater to stir interest, in the reader to study it out for themself.


Dave the Bible student

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